1797 - And 'Ali ibn 'Isa informed me that Hanbal narrated to them, saying: I said to Abu 'Abd Allah: "Ya'qub ibn Shayba and Zakariyya al-Sharki ibn 'Ammar claim that they only took this matter of 'stopping' (al-waqf) from you." Abu 'Abd Allah replied: "We used to command silence and avoid engaging in speech and regarding the Qur'an. But when we were summoned to a matter, there was no choice for us but to repel that and clarify what ought to be clarified regarding it." I said to Abu 'Abd Allah: "So what of the one who stops and says: 'I do not say it is created nor that it is uncreated'?" He replied: "That is evil speech. This is the place of evil, his 'stopping.' How can he not know? It is either permissible or forbidden; either this way or that way. Allah, the Might and Majestic, has exalted the Qur'an above being created. These people only resort to this in order to eventually say that it is created, so they deemed the position of 'stopping' (al-waqf) acceptable for themselves and manifested it. The Qur'an is the Speech of Allah, uncreated, in every aspect and in every inflection." I said: "May Allah be pleased with you, you have indeed clarified this matter which had become confused for the people." He said: "Do not sit with them, and do not speak to any of them."
١٧٩٧ - وَأَخْبَرَنِي عَلِيُّ بْنُ عِيسَى، أَنَّ حَنْبَلًا حَدَّثَهُمْ، قَالَ: قُلْتُ لِأَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ: أَنَّ يَعْقُوبَ بْنَ شَيْبَةَ وَزَكَرِيَّا الشركي بْنَ عَمَّارٍ أَنَّهُمَا إِنَّمَا أَخَذَا عَنْكَ هَذَا الْأَمْرَ الْوَقْفَ. فَقَالَ أَبُو عَبْدِ اللَّهِ: «كُنَّا نَأْمُرُ بِالسُّكُوتِ، وَنَتْرُكُ الْخَوْضَ فِي الْكَلَامِ، وَفِي الْقُرْآنِ، فَلَمَّا دُعِينَا إِلَى أَمْرٍ مَا كَانَ بُدًّا لَنَا مِنْ أَنْ نَدْفَعَ ذَاكَ وَنُبَيِّنَ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ مَا يَنْبَغِي» . قُلْتُ لِأَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ: فَمَنْ وَقَفَ فَقَالَ: لَا أَقُولُ مَخْلُوقٌ وَلَا غَيْرُ مَخْلُوقٍ؟ فَقَالَ: «كَلَامٌ سُوءٌ، هُوَ ذَا مَوْضِعُ السُّوءِ وُقُوفُهُ، كَيْفَ لَا يَعْلَمُ؟ إِمَّا حَلَالٌ وَإِمَّا حَرَامٌ، إِمَّا هَكَذَا وَإِمَّا هَكَذَا، قَدْ نَزَّهَ اللَّهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ الْقُرْآنَ عَنْ أَنْ يَكُونَ مَخْلُوقًا، وَإِنَّمَا يَرْجِعُونَ هَؤُلَاءِ إِلَى أَنْ يَقُولُوا إِنَّهُ مَخْلُوقٌ، فَاسْتَحْسَنُوا لِأَنْفُسِهِمْ فَأَظْهَرُوا الْوَقْفَ. الْقُرْآنُ كَلَامُ اللَّهِ، غَيْرُ مَخْلُوقٍ، بِكُلِّ جِهَةٍ، وَعَلَى كُلِّ تَصْرِيفٍ» . قُلْتُ: رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْكَ، لَقَدْ بَيَّنْتَ مِنْ هَذَا الْأَمْرِ مَا قَدْ كَانَ تَلَبَّسَ عَلَى النَّاسِ. قَالَ: «لَا تُجَالِسْهُمْ، وَلَا تُكَلِّمْ أَحَدًا مِنْهُمْ»
