Then he said: Its meaning is: and that has no sweetness in its remembrance—and with the verse of ʿAbd Manāf ibn Ribʿ al-Hudhalī:

Until when they drove them into Qutāʾida ... in a rout, just as camel drivers drive away stray camels.(1)

And he said: Its meaning is, until they drove them.

Abū Jaʿfar said: But the matter in that regard is contrary to what he said. That is because "when" (idh) is a particle that comes with the sense of recompense and indicates an unknown time. It is not permissible to invalidate a particle that served as an indication of a meaning in speech. For it is equal whether one says: it is in the sense of redundancy—while in speech it serves as an indication of an understood meaning—or another says regarding all speech that was uttered as an indication of what was intended by it: it is in the sense of redundancy.(2)